More (and more) William Knickerbocker

So in a previous post I went through my process of determaning how William Knickerbocker(1801-1838)was the son of William Knickerbocker(1780-1858) In that post one of the ‘proofs’ was a really bad copy of a newspaper notice and an educated guess as to what it said.

I was able to find a real nice researcher in the area who was able to take a trip to the library and find a LEGIBLE copy of that newspaper death notice. Virginia Marcellus (vkm1031@gmail.com) is a wonderful researcher in the Albany New York area and if you’re looking for a contact there, she is well worth it!

Here’s  copy of the legible newspaper notice

William Knick newspaper death Notice

Albany Evening Journal
Feb 9, 1859
Page 2
Column 8
A better transcription is as follows:

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, to Henry Knickerbocker, Cameron Knickerbocker, James H. Knickerbocker, severally residing at Smithville, in the county of Chenango, N.Y. Mary A.  wife of Amos Wade, residing at Norwich, in the county aforesaid, Amelia Burgess wife of K. S. Burgess, residing at Greene, in the county aforesaid: Henry Van Der Lyn jr., residing at Oxford, in the county aforesaid, special guardian of Evaline Knickerbocker, Charlotte Bradley wife of Timothy Bradley, Susan A. Towsley and Jane A. Towsley, minors, having no general guardian. Densy Haight, wife of Mark Haight, Lydia Wilcox, wife of Thurston Wilcox, severally residing at Portland, in the county of Chautauqua, N.Y. Betsy Wilcox, wife of Paris Wilcox, residing at Troupsbergh, in the county of Steuben, N.Y.: Fanny Barnes residing at Jasper, in the county last aforesaid; Harriet Terrell, wife of Nelson Terrell residing at Cortland in the county of De Kalb and state of Illinois, and William H. Knickerbocker, residing at Empire, in the county of Fond du Lac, and state of Wisconsin being at law and next to kin to William Knickerbocker, late of Smithville, aforesaid, deceased, greeting:

Whereas, Jared Knickerbocker and John T. Knickerbocker, the executors named in the last will and testament of William Knickerbocker, late of the town of Smithville, in the county of Chenango, deceased, have applied to our county judge, discharging the option of surrogate of the county of Chenango, to have the will of the said William Knickerbocker, deceased, which relates to both real and personal estate, proved and admitted to probate, you and each of you are therefore hereby cited and ordered to appear before the said county judge, at his office in Oxford, in said county, on the 19th day of March 1859 at ten o’clock, in the forenoon of that day, to attend the proof and probate of said will.

In testimony whereof, we have caused the seal of the surrogate’s  court of said county of Chenango to be hereunto affixed. (L.S.)  Witness, Dwight H. Clarke, surrogate of our said county, at the village of Oxford, the 19th day of January, A.D. 1859. 

Dwight H. Clarke, surrogate.

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William Knickerbocker (1780-1858) father of WIlliam Knickerbocker (1801-1838)

There is absolutely no shortage of William Knickerbockers over time. Sometimes it’s very hard, genealogically, to distinguish one from the other or know which William is the parent and which is the child. This is one of these stories. It’s pretty convoluted and I doubt very many people will be interested in reading the details, but I thought it was pretty interesting so I’m recording it here.

William Knickerbocker (1780-1858) (I’ll call him William #1)and his son William Knickerbocker (1801-1838)( I’ll call him William #2) presented a pretty difficult problem since William #2 died before his father. How could I know, for sure,  that William #2 was REALLY the son of William #1? In the Smithville, New York area where William #1 and his wife Arpita lived in the 1800’s there were no birth certificates. Census records of that time only list the name of the head of the household and no other names, just counts of others in the household.

This link ( or lack of link) had become very important to one of my cousins, but why it’s important, I’ll leave for another post. ( a very exciting post)

So William #1, when he passed away, left a will, a New York Probate record and had a probate notice published in the newspaper of record. All these things helped in establishing William #2 as son of WIlliam #1.

Here’s William #1’s Will:

William Knickerbocker Will

It lists the following people as his children:

  1. Jarad Knickerbocker
  2. John T Knickerbocker
  3. Harvey Knickerbocker
  4. Cameron K. Knickerbocker
  5. Charles E. Knickerbocker
  6. Harriet Tyrel
  7. Densy Haight
  8. Lydia Wilcox
  9. Betsey Wilcox

So no William #2 there, which makes sense since he is one of two suspected children who passed away prior to William #1’s death ( his suspected sons William and Reuben died previously)

However there are multiple hints of William # 2 in William #1’s probate record shown here:

William Knickerbocker Probate

This document lists the people to be contacted that might have some claim on WIlliam #1’s property. It lists the following people:

  1. Jarad Knickerbocker (same as #1 above)
  2. John T Knickerbocker (same as #2 above)
  3. Henry Van Der Lyn Jr. ( Special guardian of Densy Haight)
  4. Densy Haight (Same as #7 above)
  5. Lydia Wilcox (Same as #8 above)
  6. Betsey Wilcox (Same as #9 above)
  7. Fanny Barnes
  8. Mary Adelia Wade
  9. James H. Knickerbocker
  10. Cameron Knickerbocker (Same as #4 above)
  11. Charles E. Knickerbocker (Same as #5 above)
  12. Amelia Burgess
  13. Harvey Knickerbocker (Same as #3 above)

I know, via the Knickerbocker family bible, that Mary Adelia Wade and James H. Knickerbocker are children of William #2. If William #1 was not thier grandfather, why would they need to be contacted? More hints were available in the notice published in the Albany Evening Journal of William #1’s death. This notice was totally illegible to me but cousin Frank Corbella has a brilliant idea. Feed the unreadable notice through some OCR software and see what happened. What happened was this, and it’s wonderful:

The people of the state of New York, to Henry Knickerbocker, Cameron Knickerbocker, James H. Knickerbocker currently residing at Smithville in the county of Chenango, N.Y.  Mary A. wife of Amos Wade living in Norwich in the county of Chenango; Amelia Burgess wife of ___________ Burgess residing at Greene in the county of Chenango; Henry Vanderlyn residing in Oxford in the county of Chenango, perennial guardian of _____________ Knickerbocker, Charlotte Bradley wife of Timothy Bradley, Susan A. Towsley and Jane R. Towsley having the general guardian, Denny Haight wife of Mark Haight, Lydia Wilcox wife  of Chautauqu, N.Y., Betsey Wilcox wife of Paris Wilcox residing in Trouphsburgh, N.Y., in the county of Steuben, N.Y., Fanny Barnes residing in Jasper, N.Y. in the county of Steuben, Harriet Tyrrel wife of Nelson Tyrrel residing in Cortland in the county of Dekalb, and the state of Illinois and William H. Knickerbocker residing at Empire, county of Fond du lac of state of Wisconsin heirs of law and relationship to William Knickerbocker estate in town of Smithville deceased meeting whereas Jared Knickerbocker and John T. Knickerbocker the executrix  named in the last will and testament of William Knickerbocker estate of the town of Smithville in the county of Chenango. Deceased have applied in our county of Chenango to have the will of the said William Knickerbocker deceased which releases both real and personal estate provide and administered probate, you and each of you are therefore hereby cited and required to appear before the said county judge in his office in Oxford in said county on the 10 day of March at 1, o’clock in the afternoon of that day to attend the proof and probate of said will.

In testimony where of we have earned the seal of the magistrate court office of said county of Chenango to be here and to attend.

Witness Dwight H. Clark surrogate’s office said county at village of Oxford the 19th day of 1859 January A.D. 

So this lists, again, a whole bunch of people who may have some sort of claim on William #1, including a long list of William #2’s children:

  1. Henry Knickerbocker of Smithville, Chenango, N.Y (  son of William #1 )
  2. Cameron Knickerbocker of Smithville, Chenango, N.Y (son of William #1 )
  3. James H. Knickerbocker of Smithville, Chenango, N.Y ( son of William #2 )
  4. Mary A. Wade wife of Amos of Norwich, Chenango, N. Y. (daughter of William #2 )
  5. Amelia Burgess wife of _____ Burgess of Greene,Chenango, N.Y. (unknown)
  6. Unknown Burgess
  7. Amos Wade husband of Mary A. of Norwich, Chenango, N. Y.
  8. Henry Van der Lyn of Oxford, Chenango, N.Y. Guardian of unknown Knickerbocker
  9. Unknown Knickerbocker ( Maybe Emeline daughter of William #2?)
  10. Charlotte Bradley wife of Timothy Bradley (daughter of William #2 )
  11. Timothy Bradley
  12. Susan A. Towsley (could these be daughters of Lydia J daughter of Willaim #2?)
  13. Jane R. Towsley
  14. Densy Haight wife of Mark Haight ( daughter of William #1)
  15. Mark Haight
  16. Lydia Wilcox wife of Unknown Wilcox (daughter of William #1)
  17. Unknown Wilcox
  18. Betsey Wilcox wife of Paris Wilcox of Trouphsburgh, Steuben, N.Y. ( daughter of William #1)
  19. Paris Wilcox of Trouphsburgh, Steuben, N.Y.
  20. Fanny Barnes of Jasper,Steuben, N.Y. ( unknown)
  21. Harriet Tyrrel wife of Nelson Tyrrel of Cortland, Ill ( daughter of William #1)
  22. Nelson Tyrrel of Cortland, Ill
  23. William H. Knickerbocker of Fond Du Loc, Wis ( son of William #2, and my great grandfather) ( I think this should be William R. not H.)
  24. Jarad Knickerbocker ( son of William #1)
  25. John T. Knickerbocker ( son of William #1)

Anyway, it’s pretty easy ( well, sort of) to prove that the sons and daughters of William #2 are present in this notice, therefore  William #1 must be the father of William #2.

26 April 1651

If you are related to me through a Knickerbocker then you are also related to Johannes Dyckman(Dijckman). Johannes is one of the first of our Dutch ancestors to set foot in the new world. I’ve posted a new page of some descendants of Johannes here.

In the following letter to Peter Suyvesant, Director of the colony of New Netherlands, Johannes is introduced and a recommendation made to place him in any avaiable vacancy. In 1652, Johannes is made commissary of Fort Orange ( Now Albany, New York) and Vice-Director of the colony.

The following letter is from: Correspondence 1647-1653 Translated and edited by Charles T. Gehring The Holland Society of New York and the New Netherland project of the New York Library.

 

More references to Johannes, here.

The Immigration of Helena Wynohradnyk

Helena came to the US on the SS Imperator sailing from Hamburg, Germany. Her birth information is recorded here.

USS Imperator World War I
USS Imperator World War I

Imperator (German Passenger Liner, 1913)At anchor, circa 1913. Note her huge figurehead, which was removed early in the ship’s career after being damaged in a storm. This ship served as USS Imperator (ID # 4080) in 1919. U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-civil/civsh-i/imperatr.htm

She arrived on 11 April, 1914 in New York with a bunch of her Wiznoiowski relatives. She was only 16 when she arrived.

Helana Wynohradnyk Manifest
Helana Wynohradnyk Manifest

Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M237, 675 rolls); Records of the U.S. Customs Service, Record Group 36; National Archives, Washington, D.C.Year: 1914; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_2293; Line: 11; Page Number: 227.

The Elusive Uncle John

In previous posts I’ve mentioned John Wynohradnyk, my father knew him as “Uncle John”. I’ve been unable to find any birth record or many other facts about him. I do know that he emigrated to the US and that he Lived in New York. I wish I could find that part of my extended family here in the US and find out more about them.

Here is a picture of: “Uncle John”, my Uncle Michael Wainer, and my Grandfather William Wainer:

William Knickerbocker 1801-1838

My Great Great Great Grandfather, William Knickerbocker was born 22 May 1801 and died 1 Mar 1838. You can see his birth and death date in the family bible pictures here. Here’s a shot of his gravestone taken in Smithville, New York. The inscription reads:

Friends nor Physicians could not save
This mortal body from the grave
Nor can the grave confine it there
When Christ commands it to appear

William Knickerbocker 1 Mar-1838 gravestone
William Knickerbocker 1 Mar-1838 gravestone

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Welcome Annie

The 1920 census I reported earlier shows my Wainer Grandparents living in Maine. It also shows the years that they arrived in the states.  I reported my Grandfather William arriving by train in an earlier post. My Grandmother is listed on the 1920 census as having arrived in 1911. Here is the record that I believe shows my Grandmother Annie Ostafyczuk arriving in the U.S. in that year.

annie-ships-manifest

What this says:

Name: Anna Ostafrjynk

Arrival Date: 12 Jun 1911

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893

Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: Ruthenian

Ship Name: Lapland

Port of Arrival: New York, New York

Nativity: Austria

Birth Location: Austria

Birth Location Other: Synatin

This fits with just about everything that i know about my Grandmother. It also says that she was going to live in Boston which is where she ended up marrying my grandfather William and having their first three children.

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